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Talk of trouble on campus persists
By Pat Hatfield
posted Feb 5, 2010 - 11:39:11am
UPDATE 1 P.M. — Sheriff's Office spokesman Gary Davidson reported all is well at Deltona High School. He said rumors have persisted that there would be trouble on campus, and deputies were there this morning investigating and showing a law-enforcement presence, to foster a calming effect. An additional school-resource deputy was on campus, and a third during lunch, as well.
One of of the rumors circulating was that someone was planning to bring a gun to school today, in retaliation for a fight at an off-campus site, Davidson said.
After talking to "everyone we could," that was determined to be an unsubstantiated rumor, he said.
He said some people saw the increased police presence at the school, and took it a a sign there was something going on.
"From our standpoint, it's been uneventful," Davidson added. "There have been no fights or weapons on campus."
FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE: Deputy Vedder received two phone calls at the district six office in reference to a possible shooting tomorrow (02/05/10) at Deltona High School. The information obtained indicated that an unidentified suspect would be bringing a gun to school tomorrow and using it on an unidentified male. Upon completion of the calls, Lt. Hughes was notified of the information. Lt. Hughes requested that the on call investigator respond to in an effort to make contact with the reporting party and attempt to gather additional information. Inv. Efird was then notified and advised of the situation, and shortly after, responded to the area to follow up on the case. Upon completion of her investigation, Inv. Efird advised that this appeared to nothing more than rumors being passed around by students at Deltona High School. Inv. Efird documented her actions with a supplement report.
REPORTED EARLIER — The Deltona High School campus is quiet, Principal Gary Marks told The Beacon around 10:40 a.m. today.
A caller had informed The Beacon a short time earlier that deputies were all over the campus, and some sort of disturbance was in progress.
A number of parents have been worried about violence on campus since a fight broke out on campus Jan. 27. The next day, a student brought knives onto the campus. Extra deputies were brought in to ensure there was no further violence.
Marks said. "Things are going great." The campus has been quiet this week, and this morning, all students were in class. One extra resource deputy was on campus, which Marks said is not unusual.
Of the reports of problems on campus, he said, "It's very frustrating, because it's all rumors."
Note: Read more at reporter Pat Hatfield's blog.
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Regardless its just stupid kids being stupid kids...and in the case a moron adult lowered himself to their level and beat the bejejus out of a minor.
And events like these make me thankful that I left this fetid town of jerks and mouth-breathers that I grew up in as soon as I turned 18...
The big problem is that people need to stop raising their children up to believe that they are superior to anyone it will get them beat up time after time. Everyone from this point on- just promise to teach your kid to be tolerant and respectful. As parents that is our responsibility, you do your job, I'll do mine lets count on each other for that much at least.
Look, when I was younger these same kind of problems happened in my HS in S. Lake County, not far from here, Back in the 90's- until the rednecks realized that it was a new day (aka not the 1950's) and they quickly realized that getting beat up hurt. Then, eventually, everybody started screwing everyone. Eventually we will all be the same color. so Make Love Not War. Besides the corporations love it when we are fighing because it gets us off their back.
The real war is not a race war that is the diversion.
And its a good one.
The real war is the class war that the banks and the super rich have unleashed on us. Look at the foreclosures and the people out of work- stop fighting each other and start uniting against the corporations looking to sell you out for a bigger boat! Resist the temptation to self destruct and fight the military and prison industrial complex instead!
PS FYI I am Native And Spanish mixed (BROWN)and After HS I hooked up with an Irish girl and our son is beautiful and in a few more years when he is old enough to start dating he will probably be the apple of your daughters eye, no matter what color it happens to be.
So here is my summation: I professionally doubt that this was ever racial although it is easy to make it seem racial based on the presence of the flagpole and the flag. Every time the word "racial" or "racist" come into any situation people tend to run with it without gathering and viewing the FACTS first. I personally think this father had enough of seeing his sons attacked on numerous occasions and calling the police for assistance and having them "blowing it off as minor childish disagreements" It appears that Rapheal unfortunately decided to continue to verbally challenge the father therefore esclating once again into a physical altercation between 2 MEN Unfortunately for Rapheal, (who once again is an adult) he picked the wrong person to confront and possibly underestimated the strength and anger of a 40+ish father trying to protect his family. Do I agree with the final result of this matter (the physical altercation) NO, but after reviewing the police reports as a parent I do understand how any parent would feel compelled to protect their family, especially after calls to the police for assistance went unresolved.
The story that you are telling is correct in that these kids knew each other and spoke before is true, but that this was not a hate crime you are INCORRECT. There were numerous neighbors that do not know the boys that told the same story based on WHAT THEY SAW... So what? These neighbors lied? I don't think so. No matter what your opinion is... THIS WAS A 41 YEAR OLD MAN WHO COULD'VE KILLED RAPHAEL. I suppose that's ok? Would it be alright if it were your child? Kyle, did not start the fights at school. He simply defended himself when the 16 year old came at him without even expecting it. You need to stay out of this because its conflict of interest. The 19 yr old has been beating up kids in the neighborhood? Since when? And how many? I've known him for very long and I know him very personally and trust me he's not at what you think. And despite what you say or what anyone says.. this man Kenneth deserves jail time for attempted murder- he's not a teenage boy- he's a stepfather who should be an example not act like thug or let alone do something that MAKES HIM LOOK ABSOLUTELY RACIST (if he isn't) HE BEAT A KID UP WITH A POLE and his sweet innocent or NOT SO INNOCENT SON just walks away happily waving the flag that still dripped Raphael's blood. This family that underwent this situation Friday night did not provoke the other family they just assumed that the Cuban brother's had something to do with what was happening to the 16yr old based on information from 3rd parties who didn't know anything. Do you know what goes on at schools? Parents don't imagine what goes on and how there precious kids really act... that 16yr old got himself into these predicaments due to provoking the other children that were already worked up with the RACE THING..not so smart.
Now, lets get into what had led up to this sad & awful situation. About a month ago, the 19 year old that was involved in the fight Friday night jumped & beat up the brother of the 16 year old that was arrested. A police report was made at that time. This is not the first time that the 19 year old has beat kids in their neighborhood.
The young man who wrote "The Hate Crime Story" which is the 19 year olds brother had been harassing the 16-year-old boy (the boy that was arrested) in school & in the neighborhood. He had told him to stop and he didn't. The 16 year old had enough and punched the kid in school. Which he now knows & admits that it was wrong.
The one that wrote the "Hate Crime Story" was going around and started the rumor that this family is "Racist" and that started numerous kids attacking & beating the 16 year old at the bus stop. This happened two times in two days and both times a police report was made.
The 16-year-old boy was in school the following day and a group of boys had thrown a bottle and hit him in the head. He in turn picked up the bottle and threw it back and it hit one of the boys and they all attacked him. He was taken to the hospital and had severely bruised ribs and a huge lump on his head. He was suspended from school again. This was all on video and it shows the boys threw the bottle first. Another police report was filed.
When the 16 year old returned to school after the suspension, groups of kids would tell him that this was not over and he better look out. He heard rumors that someone was going to bring a gun to school and shoot a white male. He was not comfortable being at school after hearing this and did not want to risk his life or some innocent person, so he decided to leave Deltona High School.
Friday night, the 19 year old was outside saying "Your kid is a ***** he was too scared to stay in school and that this is not over. The story that they told to the news is not how it all happened. The 16 year old that was arrested, was in his home at the time when he heard screaming and ran out to find the two brothers on top of the other person involved. He was not in the truck like the story states. There are numerous statements in their story that are incorrect
This has escalated to this because the one, who wrote "The Hate Crime Story" started the rumor and all of the kids fighting, It's funny how he made sure he was never around when everything happened.
The mother of the 16 year old had went to talk to the parents to ask them to put an end to all of this and the father told her "What do you want me to do? I don't have any control over it".
Come on boys lets put an end to all of this insanity and get back to the nice neighborhood you had. You are the ones that can make it a safe place at home & at school for the smaller children in your area. What are you teaching them? There is enough violence in this world; you don't need it at home.
Again, this situation has nothing to do with race so stop claiming it does. This family is not racist and is just trying to protect their children from the attacks on them. All they are asking for is this to stop!
I'm sure you wont mention the over 2,000 students that attend Deltona High every day, succeed, get good grades, enjoy extracurricular activities...Nope! Not the Beacon. Let's focus on the 100???maybe students that cause trouble. Because DeLand has this magic halo of innocence
this race war is REAL PEOPLE! its been going on for the past few weeks now, and people aren't getting a good enough insight as to why so many rumors are going around.
Three weeks ago, i was involved in an altercation where i was jumped during my first lunch. The student hit me in the face and I turned in defense and beat him.
From this fight, the events of the next couple of weeks escalated quickly. The same kid that jumped me was perceived as a "redneck". On monday, He threatened to beat me with a bat as soon as i got off the bus. Out of nowhere he was jumped by two guys that got off my bus, one being black and the other being puerto rican. i had no partake in any physical activity.
Tuesday he was jumped again at my bus stop for reportedly "talkin ****" about kids in school. this time there were quite a few more people involved (about 10 other kids), all being of ethnic minorities. I was not there because i was picked up from school, trying to avoid any further altercations with him and his family.
Wednesday, he was jumped a third time by 4-5 african american kids at the end of first lunch for throwing a water bottle at them. he was sent home with bruised ribs, and the kids were all suspended.
Thursday is when all of the fights started breaking out. there were over 6 fights in school that day. At the end of the day i walked out of my 7th period class, and looked to my left to see a HUGE race war beginning. over 200 kids were involved. It looked as if the crowd was resembling a ying-yang sign from the seperation of skin color between the people in the crowd. (rednecks vs blacks and hispanics)
i witnessed a black kid and a white kid (in camo clothing) fighting. i was suprised to see that i knew both kids.
Now being acquainted with students from both sides of racial ethnicity puts me in a state to where i feel threatened that I might get jumped for "hanging with the wrong crowd"
I've stayed out of any further school related activities that were involved with the race war. but YES there WERE arrests for weapons on school. dont try to cover up the truth. Mr. Marks is a great principal, but everyone needs to know the severity of this situation. just because you have a couple cops at the school doesn't mean that things cant get outta hand. for example, friday morning, 3 black students WAITED for a white student to get off the bus because he was a "redneck" and chased him down. now do you seriously think that there were going to be NO further problems for the rest of the day? WRONG
NOW, last night (friday night) is where things were taken TOO far and PROOF that this "race war" is real.
if you scroll down to the entry that is titled "hate crime" you will recognize a very similar story. My two brothers (one 19, the other 15) were jumped last night by the kid that i had been having problems with this whole time and his step father. they chased my brothers down in their white ford and jumped out and began threatening them verbally. The step father then attacked my older brother and jordon (the kid i fought) took on my younger brother. in defense, my brothers fought back. jordons mother who was also involved, scratched my younger brother and tried going after my older brother where kenny was trying to provoke him to hit her so that they would have some "say" on THEIR side, but he backed away and avoided any physical contact with her. they ended the huge brawl with no injuries until the step dad (kenny) stood up, ran to his truck and pulled out a flag pole that had a confederate flag attached to it. jordon, then snuck up behind my older brother and held him back while kenny went to town on his face with the pole. they hit him SEVERAL times with it and jabbed it in my brothers eye as if he were trying to gauge his eye out. Kenny then jumped in his truck and took off to evade police after noticing neighbors watching the fight and calling the police.
This was all on the news today on cfnews 13.
we've called 911 many times in the past in regards to this family threatening to attack us, and what have the police done? NOTHING.
Deltona seriously has problems going on, and i believe that every students parents should be 100% aware of the activities partaking in DHS.
they aren't rumors.. ITS HAPPENING PEOPLE! my brother could have died last night. volusia county's police department needs to step up their game, and actually do something about these racial issues going on in deltona and surrounding cities.
What are they waiting for? somebody to die?
Yea they might be in the school, but standing around looking like they have everything under control isn't the way to do it. this is being taken OUTSIDE of the school. i dont want to have to worry about my life being threatened because a bunch of fools don't like my ethnicity.
when they have to use a CONFEDERATE FLAG to use as a weapon on my brothers FACE, CLEARLY there is some sort of racial issue going on.
open your eyes folks.. open your eyes.
these teachers dont know a **** thing about whats going on when they say that students are doing this for a 3 day weekend. morons.. try putting yourself in our shoes for a day and try walking those halls while having to witness consecutive fights because of race.
This is pissing me off. EVERYDAY I see kids being racist towards one another EVERYDAY.
For some of these teachers to think we're doing this for vacation is NOT TRUE.
Maybe some rumors are wrong but they all ended in the same thing- someone was gonna be seriously injured yesterday.
If "nothing was going on" then how come they postponed our pep rally till next week?
If i have to call Obama myself i will ****. No school wants to be looked at as a bad or racist school and that's why they're downplaying it so much. How are you going to tell an actual STUDENT that there weren't many cops there?
There was a fight right after second lunch and these people are saying that it was just a rumor that wasn't going to happen? Or how about the black girl that got punched in the face by the redneck guy? Was that a lie too? IT WASN'T.
I'm worried for my safety at school. Deltona (the city) is an empty place. Kids have no where to go so they start up trouble around town. The mayor doesn't give us any opportunities because he's probably stuck in his southern ways too! He probably doesn't even care. Everyone in deltona and pine ridge high school hates their own school. thats pretty sad.
I wonder why. Its probably because we have ugly run down schools that have no money and all the kids are against each other.
The mayor has some work to do in our schools. He needs to stop worrying about himself and start worrying about what kind of kids are going to be running our society in a couple years.
TOTAL TOTAL LIE.
At pine ridge during lunch all of the rednecks sit in their own corner that only white people walk by.I've been spit on in that part of the crowd. These rednecks think they run the entire school and all they can find to call people of color are "niggers" and that the hispanic people are "Rats". i'm tired of being scrutinized for what race i am, i'm proud to be hispanic and this race war is going on because the blacks and hispanics are TIRED of being disrespected by these people. They are so ignorant and their only ambitions in life is to have 3,000 kids and raise farm animals. This race war is not right and these principals need to be examining the situations WAY more closely. Because i see fights happen everyday because a redneck wanted to call a black person the N word.
We're suppose to be reaching towards equality and these southern people only care about their dumb confederate flags. WAKE UP the south LOST. we are all the same in the end and i refuse to let anyone tell me "all is well" all is not well and when someone dies or an innocent person gets shot then these principals are going to be surprised. i dont want to see the day this happens, but this event seems like a warning for everyone. i wont be surprised if it happens again.
People who say that those who were claiming there were 15 cops on campus were exaggerating, your wrong. I didn't go around counting them myself, but I have friends who did. Honestly, I really don't have any problems with Mr. Marks, but the most he did when the first fights occured was make an announcement on the morning news and make people go to class for two days. That doesnt make me feel to safe.
There actually is alot of tension on campus right now, and those who say that the school is "quiet" are either trying to decieve us or themselves. I hate to say it, but I can't help but feeling like this isn't even close to being over.
And for those beating down on the administration such as Mr. Marks, he has a lot to deal with right now. All of a sudden fights break out being race related. Deltona High school has been, pretty much one of the most mellow High Schools around. We have, apart from this year, only a few fights a year where as other schools around the area such as Deland and Prineridge have fights almost daily. So when out of nowhere there are numerous fights concerning the issue of race it knocks the wind out of you, at least those with the same observation as mine.
We have a choice here. For those who honestly care for the safety and care of Deltona High School and its students, teachers and faculty will stop bickering about it and try to find out what you can do to help put an end to this nonsense.
I just wanted to send a response to the last few comments I've seen from the teachers. I'm trying to understand how 15 cops is a "gross exaggeration" when I myself, with my own two eyes, saw 5-6 cop cars sitting outside the school at 8:30 this morning, which had 6-7 cops in them and then at 2nd lunch later I saw 3-4 more DIFFERENT cops standing around chatting near the cafeteria. That's about 11 cops right there alone, and I know from many other students and teachers that saw more cops at different parts of the building, so 15 is definitely nowhere near a "gross exaggeration".
While some students played this off as a joke and a chance to take advantage of the school by getting a day off, I extremely disagree with and think it's a completely ignorant point of view for these teachers to sit here and group the entire student body together because of a few that take everything as a joke, including their educations. I for one have many friends, and I myself, that are scared because we have no idea what is real and what isn't and whether or not we should worry about someone pulling a gun on someone in between class, during lunch, or something of the sort.
You make the comment about how something would be done if there was a real problem. Well, there is a real problem and all I've heard from Mr. Marks is him saying these are just rumors and everything is ok. That's completely wrong. Fights in excess numbers of what we usually have, kids being busted with knives on campus and the increased police and administration that's been present on campus as of late all shows there is something major going on, not something to just dust off your shoulder like a fight that happens everyday. When one race is flatout challenging and attacking another, I think the principal needs to standup, take charge, and admit there is a problem.
Oh, and about the cell phone comment, that's another ignorant comment. If it wasn't for cell phones, the police wouldn't have been notified, so if these so called rumors would have turned out to be facts and the cops had no knowledge of them like they were told by a cell phone call, then this could have turned into a completely different situation
Stop blowing OUR stories off like we don't know what we're talking about. Stop grouping us as a whole and stop assuming we're all in this for ourselves. I'm worried my own well being, my friends well being and my schools well being. I'm expressing these opinions because I actually care and think my voice has just as much reason to be heard as mr marks or the police
Keep things in perspective:
Have there been fights recently? Yes.
Were there fights when I was a high school student in the 1970s? Yes. I bet there were when you were in high school too (and elementary school, and middle school...)
Are there rumors? Yes.
Was the student rumor mill in full operation when I was in high school? You bet.
Students are doing the right thing when they report a rumor to a teacher or administrator. But the only way to end rumors is for everyone to stop perpetuating them.
It's really smart of your principal to down play the situation. The parents who send their kids to school when they are worried about this situation and then choose to take it out on the school, along with all the students looking for 15 minutes of fame is what gives deltona schools bad reputations.
I was there today in school and there were NOT 15 police officers; that is a gross exaggeration. Are we to believe that a student actually went around counting them??
This is rabble-rousing, plain and simple, and I do think many used this as a way to leave school early.... no make that I KNOW as that is what I heard when I was OUT IN THE HALL (and not in my room as one student says we are) and heard students talking (LYING) to parents as to what was going on and texting (these lies) as they joked with their friends about soon getting "out of here" (which is another reason why we should have ZERO tolerance in that area in this county).
Yes, parents need to be be concerned...and yes, it is hard to forget something like Columbine, but they also need to use some common sense in matters such as this. DO you really think that something would not be done if there were real trouble?? AND.... if today had happened pre-cell phones, I bet my bottom dollar that this never would have even made it this far...
I also find it arrogant and rude for the teacher that commented saying a lot of us are looking for 3 day weekends. Tell that to those who've experienced or witnessed the violence and tell that to the parents who checked them out because they fear for their childs safety. Don't be so ignorant and open your eyes to what's really going on and how our school's going downhill
I took the advice of Why and checked the police logs (see Police Logs). It states that two separate calls were received that someone unknown was going to take a gun to Deltona High and use it on an unknown male. Officers & Investigators were dispatched to gather more information. Upon investigation it was concluded that it (the story about gun) was started by students.
Ms. Hatfield is correct in reporting that the school was "quite" because it was. Yes, there was a police presence but, the school was quiet so where is the "spin".
not good beacon!!!!!!!!!!!
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